. >> it has never -- >> jack kennedy lower tax rates -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. >> that's what you saul synap s synapses. now you're jack kennedy. >> the things that's so hard to analyze this debate, you could not watch the whole debate, you could start at the first minute and say what do you think about joe biden? and if people said, i kind of like him, then you like the debate and you thought biden won. if you said -- >> by the way, that's been said about joe biden since 1972. you either like him or you don't. >> he's joe biden. to joe's point, he's unapologetic about his joe bidenness and i think when he embodies being that, that economic populist streak and the stuff at the end that you played earlier, chris, with abortion when he talks from that sort of i'm an irish catholic, i know who the people are, that's when he's at his best. i would say some of the laughing and the derisiveness, particularly on foreign policy, i thought was a little bit off putting and a little over the top. >> i think that's right. i think it was well-said by both. you. joe klein,
